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5th-May-2012 10:31 am

So I'm not exactly new to world of warcraft but I am just starting back. It's been a long time since I played and I recently got a BE Pally Ret to level 75. Truth is only type I've ever created is a Pally back when I first started playing and even then I didn't do dungeons with random people. I did them with friends. 

  I tried tanking when I was level 15 for the first time and considering I haven't been played in a while (Since before WOTLK) I wasn't that great. ALOT has changed and needless to say I was chewed out pretty bad to the point I avoided dungeons for a while. I settled into a Ret pally and started DPS. I'm not that great and trying to get better. I'm terrified to try any other class because if I got chewed out at level 15 I imagine it gets alot worse later on. And whats worse is my wife joined and wasn't too pleased about her first experience. I have ALOT of questions because there is so little I know now a days. If someone wouldn't mind taking me under their wing for a bit in wow to help me out I would very much appreciate it.
5th-May-2012 04:10 pm (UTC)
hi there!

this is a really nice, understanding community, and it's specifically meant for people to be able to ask "noob" questions without getting insults in response. "noob" is meant to cover anyone from people who are brand new to the game to people who are brand new to raiding, so feel free to come back with more specific questions about WoW at any time.

specifically about this post, were you trying to tank a dungeon as a ret paladin? it's possible to do so at low levels with a strong group, but really tanking is covered by the protection talent tree. it can also be tough running lower level dungeons because many players already have done them many times on other characters and so assume that everyone is familiar with them. i leveled my hunter without running a single dungeon, so when i went back to level my prot paladin, i had to announce to groups that i didn't know the maps or fights for each dungeon. very occasionally people were not very nice about it, but 90% of the time, someone in my group would speak up and show me where to go and what to do. if you have started an alternate low level character with your wife, you can always run through a low level dungeon once on your level 75 to familiarize yourself with it before running it again on your other characters.
5th-May-2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
Hahaha I've never run a raid before and not really looking forward to it considering all the horrible rumors I've heard. I'd like to try it one day but again something I'm worried about.

Back in Burning Crusade it was possible for DPS pally's to do tanking if geared correctly but I didn't dungeon that often and only with friends and I was hybrid of Prot and Ret so it wasn't as hard for me to recover

Yes I was. I've done dungeons since but I'm very quiet, keep to myself and I'm always worried I'm not doing enough DPS. Even more concerning there are Item level's which I kindof have the hang of now but their are also Heirlooms which again I kind of have an idea about. And considering this is my first DPS Pally I've some idea what kind of gear I'm looking for but not too sure on that and what spells or abilities to use. I just go by second hand information I received during Dungeons to kind of make myself better. I'm pretty sure everything I know about DPS is second hand information so I kind of need verification on everything. My wife made a hunter but she has no idea how to use it and neither do I.
5th-May-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
Welcome back to WoW! A LOT has changed since BC times and even since WotLK. Tanks get their defense from their talents (speccing prot) rather than from gear (no more +defense rating!) so there are very clear tank and non-tank specs now. It still CAN be done at low levels, but it's much more difficult and not recommended unless you really know what you're doing (most of these would be full BoA/heirloom geared people with a tank/healer combo). Heirloom gear is both a blessing and a curse. Because most people expect you to have it now or assume you're starting on a new server, it skews what people do at low levels. Heirloom gear is designed to be blue quality gear that scales with you as you level and gives you XP bonuses. It also fills some slots that are very difficult to fill (heal/shoulders/ring/trinkets) until you get to around level 30 or so. Because the normalized quality of that gear is so much better than quest rewards or green drops, the people in full heirlooms are considerably more powerful than those who aren't. Add in those that have all the weapons and are fully enchanted it takes some skill to hold threat off them (especially when they don't care). I'd definitely recommend telling people you're just starting back in the game after a long break and don't know the dungeons/fights. Some will be dicks, but most will be willing to help. It's when you don't ask for help that people really become dicks!

I don't know much about ret (other than I've heard the addon CLC is good), but I know a lot about hunters! I PvE as SV and PvP as either MM or BM, I never ever ever ever (really ever) PvE as BM. I wouldn't worry too much about starting a new class, and it's always better in pairs. If you have the simple tool tips turned on, it should tell you basically how/when/if you should use abilities as a certain spec. You can also ask here for general rotations or class info. Armory links & any specific questions are always easier to answer because otherwise you might get novels, or random theory crafting with haste plateaus that aren't really relevant to what you need right now. :)
5th-May-2012 06:55 pm (UTC)
So how does one obtain these Heirlooms since they seem so neccessary. I'll let my wife know about the Pve as SV since shes not too into PVP.

Then is Ret good for pvp or is strictly Prot being better for PVP. And I've noticed people wear PVP gear into dungeons but people don't generally like that. If I remember that its because PVP gear is leveled differently so when a dungeon is a queued they base people off item level and if the item level is higher than the actual level of the character then the person who gets put into the group has a high item level but not enough talents to do the damage. Is that right?
5th-May-2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
You get heirlooms through Justice Points (which you start earning at level 70), Honor Points (from PvP) or from Darkmoon Faire tickets (which starts today!). Heirlooms are rather pricey so I wouldn't expect to be able to pick all of them up until you reach max level and can run dungeons for justice points. You can get heirloom hats and cloaks from guild vendors (if you have a level 20 or higher guild), but they required honored rep with the guild, which is also very hard to get to before max level.

Ret is good for either PvE or PvP. There are variations on the spec that can turn it into a better spec for either one (certain talents aren't needed for PvE). Prot isn't really great for PvP, it's much better for dungeon tanking. There are PvP heirlooms that have resilience on them, which is a PvP only stat, but it doesn't matter too much when you're leveling. At max level, having a few crafted pieces when you first start out is okay because the stat difference between a 333 questing blue and a 377 pvp blue is so big that it overwrites the pvp stats on the items. All PvP gear is frowned upon, but in most gearing dungeons/heroics at max level now you'll see at least a few pieces of PvP gear (it took my mage 14 weeks to get rid of her PvP shoulders because she just couldn't get a drop! She did have them enchanted though!). Having enchants, even cheap ones, will help a lot in getting people to forgive some weak gear.
5th-May-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
Justice points...okay that explains alot. I've heard talk of them but I don't know too much about it. But it does make sense. So if I were to get heirlooms I would be able to pass them onto lower level characters that I create?

So my Ret Pally is good for PVP then. What kind of pieces am I looking for as a Ret Pally? Like should I value armor over strength or Stamina? What should I be looking for exactly? I'm not too keen on Enchantments. What kind of Enchantments should I be looking to get? I actually thought Pvp gear was a good idea for a while there until I heard about the item level issue.
5th-May-2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
Once you get heirlooms you can pass them around to any other characters on your server (regardless of faction). You can even enchant them before sending them, although they only take enchants without ilvl restrictions (because they are technically ilvl 1). They come in all flavors (cloth, leather, mail, plate - and for heal/tank/dps).

I don't know a whole lot about ret (my paly is prot/holy), but I know you want strength more than anything. Once you get to level 80 you'll also want mastery, but you don't get any use from that stat before then. For PvP, you'll want some stam, but you don't want to sacrifice other stats. Armor become devalued after WotLK and there isn't bonus armor on items anymore. You'll also see that stamina on items for Cata gear is equalized and tanks health isn't much different than other peoples (except for their enchants and gems and stamina trinkets).

One issue you're going to run into at 75 is that at level 77 you get access to the Cata greens which are a HUGE jump in ilvl (from the 160s from WotLK quests or level 70 Brutal PvP gear) to 272 or 292 for greens found on the AH. The stat jump is extreme, to say the least. PvP is VERY painful when leveling from 75-77 because of it.

Just to give you an idea at level 85, a few of my friends palys: in pvp gear and pve gear.
7th-May-2012 01:06 pm (UTC)
Wow...I will definetly look into this. I would love to get some heirlooms. Where exactly do I purchase them?
7th-May-2012 07:27 pm (UTC)
List of Heirloom items

That has all the heirloom items currently available in game. If you click on any one of them it will tell you where they're available and what the cost is for each.

Archeology heirlooms are also available if you're leveling archeology. A lot of the items are great for leveling, but the max level ones are now fairly outdated. Because these ones are epic quality and not "heirloom" quality (purple, not tan colored), the level 85 ones can have max level enchants on them. If you're not leveling archeology, don't worry about these. They're not necessary by any means, but they're available!
5th-May-2012 10:11 pm (UTC)
I highly recommend Maintankadin as a primary resource for Paladin tanks.

specifically, the Getting Started FAQ at http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31912

Basically, if you're tanking you want to be in Protection with a "sword and board" or shield, because a lot of your threat generating abilities depend on that spec, as does your damage mitigation. If you're trying to tank as DPS you're going to be taking a lot more damage than you would be, which is hard on your healer, and you won't be generating the threat you need to have to control the pack of mobs you're trying to tank.

They've recently bumped threat generation for all the tank specs, so once you're in the proper spec you shouldn't have too much trouble getting and holding the mobs.

Bear in mind that with the advent of cross realm dungeons, there has been a huge rise in "anonymity asshole syndrome" since there's a good chance you'll never see those people again. *sigh* Best thing to do is determine if their complaints had merit, and if not, write it off as someone having a bad day and sharing it with everyone.

Heirlooms are the one thing that can make getting and keeping threat a bit tough, because they're SO overpowered at lower levels. You start getting them with honour points from PVP or Justice points from dungeons, and they're BOA or Bind On Account, which means you can send them to any character on that server no matter the faction, as long as you can spell the character name. (which can be hard with a random generated name. heh) They increase your experience gain by ten percent per piece, as well as having good stats that scale with your level, which means you probably won't run in to someone wearing all heirloom gear more than once or twice because they'll blow past you in levels.

Mostly, relax and have fun. There are jerks out there, but there are good people too. Learn what you can, tell people you're new and open to suggestions, and for those who are just horrible - right click their portrait and put them on ignore and you'll never get grouped with them again.
7th-May-2012 01:57 pm (UTC)
Okay so I read all that information and I plan on using it when I try out Prot spec. I would also like to know more about the Ret spec so I'll browse these forums looking for more info on that.

anonymity asshole syndrome seems like a very common disease now a days in game.

But thanks for all your help. I really enjoy this game...just not some of the people who play it haha.
7th-May-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
If you're going pure Ret probably the most accessible resource is tentonhammer
people will want to steer you to Elitist Jerks as the definitive resource, but they're not exactly entry level - they assume a level of familiarity with the class and abilities that you may not have. Keep them in mind for later, but check out tenton now.

And my apologies, I misread your initial post and thought you were looking for tanking info. I've seen a few retadins try to tank and it's just an ugly mess. They don't seem to *get* that their healer is getting pissed off because it's twice as hard to heal them since they don't have the damage mitigation talents, and they end up healing the rest of the party more since the mobs escape more, and it's just a healer's nightmare. Pally can be a LOT of fun! Hope you enjoy it!
7th-May-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
I'll definetly look into this right now. Some people seem to expect you to be perfect at your class instantly. Really annoying and makes the game kind of unejoyable :\. However there are alot of nice people as well.

No need to apologize! Any and all information is useful. I need to get reacquainted with everything anyways haha.
7th-May-2012 01:58 pm (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice and help! I appreciate it! I'll probobly be back soon for my wife asking for help about hunters as well!
7th-May-2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
Hahahaha Thank you! I'll take a look into this with my wife. :)
5th-Nov-2012 12:39 pm (UTC)
There is a bunch of cool game guides and addons @ 99WoWguides.com
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